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A Chinese Herb Bests a Prescription Drug for Rheumatoid Arthritis

By Jennifer Davis

8/18/09 A new study concludes that a Chinese herb known as thunder god vine improves symptoms in people with rheumatoid arthritis (RA) better than a prescription medication.

Researchers at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md. and the University of Texas in Dallas and nine rheumatology clinics around the country randomly assigned 121 patients with six or more painful and swollen joints to take either 60 milligrams of thunder god vine root extract three times per day or 1 gram of sulfasalazine (Azulfidine) two times a day for 6 months. All study participants were also allowed to take prednisone and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, or NSAIDs. 

Scientists assessed participants using a standard measure of joint involvement.

Patients in both groups experienced side effects, with stomach complaints and digestive symptoms being the most common. And about half of participants dropped out of the study before it was completed, with more dropping out in the sulfasalazine group than in the thunder god vine group.

But of the 62 patients who continued treatment for the full six months, 65 percent saw improvements in joint pain, joint function and inflammation with thunder god vine, compared to just 36 percent with sulfasalazine.

The study was published in the August 18, 2009, issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Thunder god vine is the English translation for a vine-like plant that grows in Asia called lei gong teng. The leaves, flowers and outer skin of the plant’s root are poisonous and potentially lethal. Honey from the plant’s pollen is also toxic and the herb can be deadly if it isn’t extracted correctly. For these reasons, it’s believed this plant, in ancient times, was likely used as a murder weapon.

But thunder god vine also has healing properties that come from the pulp of the peeled roots. It has been used for thousands of years in traditional Chinese medicine to treat everything from rheumatoid arthritis and swelling to leprosy, fever and boils.

Thunder god vine is also known to have a wide range of side effects that includes diarrhea, upset stomach and skin reactions. Men may experience temporary infertility and women may stop having menstrual periods while taking it.

Researchers, who were not available for comment, wrote in the study’s conclusion that for those who can tolerate oral prednisone and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, thunder god vine may be an attractive and affordable alternative to traditional DMARDs.

But other herbal medicine experts say they aren’t yet sure that the benefits of taking thunder god vine outweigh its considerable risks.

“Every plant that has toxic affects, if used in a small enough amount, has the opportunity to be useful,” says Roberta Lee, MD, vice chair of the Department of Integrative Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center, one of the first integrative medicine departments in an academic medical center. She is a recognized expert on the use of alternative and integrative therapies and botanical supplements in optimizing wellness and managing chronic disease; and her book, The SuperStress Solution, is scheduled to come out in January.

[Thunder god vine’s] window of being useful and becoming toxic is pretty narrow,” she adds.

Dr. Lee co-wrote a paper about thunder god vine that was published in the November/December 2001 issue of Alternative Therapies.

She concluded that she could not, in good conscience, suggest her patients take the herbal supplement until more is known about its efficacy, side effects and potential interactions. She maintains that opinion, even after reading this new study.

“What this study does is begin to help us see how it might be useful. I think what we have to do next is have a standardized presentation," she says. “I think this particular kind of plant needs much more definition in production and quality assessment because it has significant toxic effects. It’s one of these examples where this plant should be treated more along the lines of pharmaceuticals than perhaps other plants."

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration doesn’t regulate herbal supplements, and Dr. Lee says there is no way to guarantee the strength of the dosage or what part of the plant was used to make the supplement.

She says other botanicals, such as ginger, rosemary and tumeric, could be safer herbal supplements if people with rheumatoid arthritis are looking for alternative therapies to deal with inflammation

And she advises getting help from a herbal medicine specialist. 

“For people with Rheumatoid arthritis, the cure is very complicated. It’s probably going to need a multi layered intervention,” she says.

michaej
04 Apr 2011, 17:26
were i can get thunder god vine or lei teng tea
Albert
04 Mar 2011, 18:08
I am interested in purchasing the Thunder God Vine product. Where can it be bought
Ene Fea
13 Oct 2010, 16:22
This product sounds good and I would like to know where I can get one to try out. Thanks
NITA
05 Nov 2009, 16:00
I too am interested in this pogamoonga. I have had really high numbers for my liver and muscles.
Barbara
22 Oct 2009, 12:05
How can I get some?
Lori Taylor
17 Oct 2009, 14:11
I am 37 years old and have had severe rheumatoid arthritis for 7 years. It started in my hands, and eventually moved all over my body. I tried all of the drugs on the market. They only gave me horrible side effects and no help for the arthritis. I've been bouncing around on several different herbs to try to find a natural treatment that can help my inflammation and continuous pain. If it is a natural remedy, I am willing to try it. I'd like any suggestions you can give me.
Sharon Aleman
12 Oct 2009, 11:07
Matthew -- please contact me. I am interested in knowing more about your product!
alemansharon@yahoo.com
Thanks, Sharon
Stephanie Smith
10 Oct 2009, 21:47
I was diagnosed at the age of 25 with RA. Every blood test that my doctor has given me has come back negative though. Now, the arthritis is in every joint and not even Enbrel helped after 3yrs of taking it. I work in a very joint-stressful environment & am currently on a 10lb weight restriction from pain in my elbows & wrists. Tylenol arthritis has stopped working for me also unless I take double the dose at 1 or 2 times a day. I need to find something that will help or I will end up crippled before I reach 45. Someone please help me find some relief!
Fred Rawlins
02 Sep 2009, 12:36
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I helped start this company because our founder, a personal friend and former employer, used this drink to recover from a massive heart attack. When he was told by doctor's that pomegrante helped the body to produce more nitric oxide, and that nitric oxide's action would clear out hardened cholesterol blocking his atreries, he found it too full of sugar. He was diabetic, and could not take the pomegranate available because of the high sugar content to offset the tartness of the fruit, so he had to find a way to get the sugar down. He found a lab, that mixed the pomegrante ground seed into this formula, to lower the sugar content. At only one gram per ounce, and that ounce is seven times more concentrated than Pom Wonderful, here is 28 times less sugar than most comericial pomegranate juices. That sugar is from the all natural sweetner aguave, doesn't spike the glycemic index, and is broken down qucikly as it is metabolized. The resulting product has three ingredients which are all used to treat heart disease, diabetes and RA. After his recovery, it became apparent that this was a very special drink, and we have been selling it now for about two years.
I helped raise some of the captial to start the LLC, that's what I have been doing since 1993, and am a Limited Partner as well. You can find more about Poga Moonga, and our moringa capsules and tea featuring both the dried leaf and the gorund seed, at www.pogamoonga.com/fred. Also visit our site www.drinkpogamoonga.com and tressforlife.org for more information on moringa. Be sure to google the moringa, hit show options, then timeline at bottom left, and you will see that the intreset in moringa has grown 10 times over the last year. Moringa is the fastest growing tree on earth, a full protein like soy beans or peanuts with the highest protein ratio of any green plant, with a host of medicinal uses. This puts PogaMoonga Tm in a new catagory; not just another fruit juice with antioxidants. Poga Moonga has over 46 anti-oxidants, and pomegrantae's anti-oxidant powere is three times that of blueberries or red wine, so it is a better anti-oxidant and a whole food with medicinal value. It is also alkaline, for proper ph balance, unlike any of the fruit drinks. Check this one out, it can save your life, and the lives of those around you. The special news for you is it will do all this as you fight, and gain relief from, your RA!
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Matthew Iacovelli
25 Aug 2009, 16:22
I have problems tolerating rheumatoid arthritis drugs so I am very interested in something alternative that works in helping rheumatoid arthritis so if you know of something that definatley works please pass the information on to me.

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